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Transcript: Nikki Haley on "Face the Nation," September 3, 2023_我的网站

一 |     　　两大电网企业“十五五”路线图同步明确，新型电力系统建设正式进入工程与市场落地期。

二 | 　　8月25日，国家电网有限公司（下称国家电网）发布《助力国家“十五五”碳达峰目标实现若干举措》；同日，中国南方电网有限责任公司（下称南方电网）披露“十五五”新型电力系统发展规划路线图。　　国家电网提出，“十五五”经营区年均新增新能源装机2亿千瓦左右，并表示要加快推进新增用电量由新增清洁能源电量覆盖，2030年经营区新能源发电量占比达到30%以上。

三 | 　　南方电网明确，“十五五”南方区域新能源新增装机2.3亿千瓦，2030年达到5亿千瓦、新能源装机占比达50%，非化石能源电量占比64%。    The following is a transcript of an interview with former ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, a 2024 GOP presidential candidate, that aired on "Face the Nation" on September 3, 2023. 

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ROBERT COSTA: Good morning, Ambassador Haley.NIKKI HALEY: Good morning, Bob. Great to be with you.      ROBERT COSTA: Ambassador, let's begin with Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader who appeared to freeze up before cameras in recent days for the second time in two months. His doctor then issued a statement saying McConnell, who was hospitalized earlier this year after a fall, is able to continue to work. "Occasional lightheadedness is not uncommon in concussion recovery," the doctor wrote. Ambassador, you said this in recent days, the Senate is "the most privileged nursing home in the country." And McConnell needs to "know when to leave." Do you believe it's time for McConnell to step down from his leadership position?HALEY: Bob, I am completely for term limits. I'm completely for mental competency tests for anyone over the age of 75. And I'm not saying that to be disrespectful. Here you have Mitch McConnell, who's done great service to the country. You have Dianne Feinstein who had a great career. You've got Nancy Pelosi, who's been there a long time. At what point do they get it's time to leave? They need to let a younger generation take over. We want to go and start working for our kids to make sure we have a strong national security, to make sure we have a stronger economic policy, to make sure that America is safe. And we can't do that if these individuals refuse to give up power. This is not just a Republican or Democrat problem. This is a congressional problem. And they've got to know when to leave it, it's time to pass this down to a new generation of conservative leaders that want to take our country to a better place.                 ROBERT COSTA: So just to be clear, when Republican senators come back to Washington, should they have a leadership shakeup on the table? And should they talk about potentially having somebody else come in as the leader in the Senate?HALEY: I want this for Republicans and Democrats. I want to make sure that they all know it's time to go. There's a reason the American people want term limits. It's because they don't want people staying there forever. They don't want people drunk on the power. They don't want people to think they're the only ones that know how to run Congress. Because right now, what has Congress done for you lately? We have an open border that's out of control, they're spending like drunken sailors. We've got continued issues, whether it comes with education, whether it comes with the debt, whether it comes with how we're going to have national security. We need people at the top of their game. We have too many issues on the table that need to be dealt with. We can't continue to have these people who think they know better than the American people, the American people are saying it is time to go. If they would approve term limits, the American people would show that. But until then, they've got to know that, look, we appreciate your service, but it's time to step away.ROBERT COSTA: So you've talked about competency tests. But let's dig a little deeper on that. There are age requirements for serving in the house, 25 years old, 30 for the Senate, 35 for the presidency. Should there be an age limit on the presidency in your view, and maybe a constitutional change or legislative change?HALEY: I think there should be mental competency tests and I don't care if they're for everybody 50 and older. I don't care if they're for the entire Congress. These are basic tests, Bob. These are tell us where you were born, name four words that start with the same letter. How many grandchildren do you have? These are basic questions that anyone should be able to answer. And the way you do that is just when a candidate files to run for office, incumbent or newcomer, they have to give their financial disclosures. They should also give a notice from the doctor that tells about their mental capacity. I think that we need that. We can't stand watching Dianne Feinstein sit there and be told by an aide how she should vote. We can't worry about Mitch McConnell being frozen at a podium. We can't have Joe Biden forget where he is. Our enemies are watching all of this. And every time they have an instance like that, America is less safe because our enemies think we're out of control. And that's gotta stop.                      ROBERT COSTA: You talked about spending. In just a few weeks there's an important spending deadline in Washington, a potential government shutdown looms if they don't come up with a spending agreement to keep the government funded. Do you believe Republicans should take a hard line and what exactly should they do with this looming?HALEY: Well, I think Congress needs to do their job. You know, Biden has pushed us into- into socialism light. He's spending on every single thing and they've forgotten the role of government. Government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. It was never meant to be all things to all people. So as we go into this, I have said that Biden has spent already $5 trillion in his term, but Republicans have spent too. We've watched them open up earmarks for the first time in 10 years, we've watched the 2024 appropriations bill has 7.4 billion in earmarks. Democrats have 2.8 billion in earmarks. So all of them are spending like drunken sailors and it's our tax dollars that they're spending. What we're saying is, I had to balance a budget when I was governor of South Carolina, Americans have to balance their budget at home. Why is Congress the only group that refuses to balance a budget? They need to go in there and do the hard work. They need to make sure that they are giving money back to the taxpayers, they must make sure that money is not being wasted. So I think they need to do their job.ROBERT COSTA: The question though, Ambassador, is what exactly should they do in terms of the negotiating position they take? For example, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia has just said in recent days, that Republicans should not vote to fund the government unless an impeachment inquiry begins against President Biden inside of the House of Representatives. Is she right? Or Is she wrong to take that position?HALEY: She's one of many that are going to throw things on the table like that. What I'm saying is Congress needs to do their job. Balance a budget. I have said I will veto any spending bill that doesn't take us back to pre-COVID levels. The only group that talks about closing down the government or playing these games are members of Congress. The American people aren't talking about that. The American people are telling Congress, do your job, balance a budget, stop the spending, stop the borrowing, eliminate the earmarks, clawback the hundreds of billions of dollars of unspent COVID dollars. Go after, instead of 87,000 IRS agents going after middle America, go after the hundreds of billions of dollars of COVID fraud that we know exist. These political games, the American people have no- no use for it. They just want them to do their job, it's not that hard. It's why I continue to say we've got way too many lawyers in Congress. We need an accountant. I'm an accountant. That's why I want to put an end to this and start having government work for the people again.ROBERT COSTA: Over the past week, former President Donald Trump, the front runner in the race, he pleaded not guilty to criminal accusations in Georgia. When you were on that debate stage in Milwaukee, which has earned you some good reviews inside of the party- inside of the Republican party, you raised your hand and said you would still support him if he was convicted of a crime and the nominee next year. Do you stand by your decision to hold up your hand on stage and back Trump? Should he be the nominee and be a convicted felon?HALEY: What you saw were candidates on that stage said that they would do exactly what they signed and pledged to do which is support the Republican nominee. That's what we are saying. I don't think President Trump's going to be the nominee. I think it's going to be me. But I will tell you that any Republican is better than what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are doing. ROBERT COSTA: Even if they're convicted of a crime?                      HALEY: We know that a vote for Joe Biden is a vote for a President Kamala Harris. It- first of all, he's innocent until proven guilty. But you are implying that the American people are not smart. The American people are not going to vote for a convicted criminal. The American people are going to vote for someone who can win a general election. I have faith in the American people. They know what they need to do. And so, I think that, yes, I will support the Republican nominee always and I will make sure that that person, we're going to pick someone that's going to beat a president Kamala Harris. Because we can't have a President Kamala Harris or we'll never get our country back.ROBERT COSTA: How are you going to consolidate quickly the non-Trump vote in this primary? We're at now in September just months away from the early voting.HALEY: It's not about consolidating a non-Trump vote. It's about consolidating where Republicans want to go. I believe Republicans want to stop the crazy spending. I believe Republicans want to bring crime down and go back to law and order. I believe Republicans want transparency in schools. I believe Republicans want to secure the border. And I believe Republicans want to prevent war and have a strong national security. That's what we're talking about. It's not about a person, it's about a country. And it's not just about Republicans. It's about independents. It's about conservative Democrats that know that we're going in the wrong direction.ROBERT COSTA: Ambassador Haley, we'll see you soon on the campaign trail. We really appreciate you taking the time on a Sunday morning. Thank you.                                  。　　按国家电网年均2亿千瓦新增装机测算，两网“十五五”新增新能源装机合计超过12亿千瓦，这相当于当前新能源累计装机的八成。　　截至2025年底，全国新能源累计装机量为14.6亿千瓦。　　在网架补强方面，国家电网计划，“十五五”将新投产跨区直流15回，跨省区输电能力达5亿千瓦。“十四五”末，这一能力为3.7亿千瓦，五年间多出约1.3亿千瓦跨省送电能力，增幅约35%。　　同时，国家电网将推进华中-南方、华中-华东等省间电力互济工程建设，跨区灵活互济能力较“十四五”末扩大两倍以上，华北、华东、华中和西南特高压交流电网规模翻一番，西北、东北省间联络整体加强。　　配电网方面，国家电网将持续提升电网对分布式电源接纳承载能力，满足年均6000万千瓦以上新增分布式电源接网需要。提升新型主体与电网高效互动能力，推进农村能源革命试点，建设一批县域有源配电网、村镇级微电网、末端保供型微电网示范工程，协同推进工业绿色微电网发展，促进新能源就地高效利用。　　国家电网还提出，推动国家和地方、电源与电网规划衔接，全力保障沙戈荒大基地、分布式、海上风电等新能源“应并尽并”。　　此外，滚动开展新能源消纳能力测算，服务地方主管部门优化新能源发展规模、布局和时序，合理设置利用率目标。支持存量水电站增容改造和设备更新，推动核电和灵活调峰气电有序发展。

四 | 　　南方电网未提及具体的电网工程建设规划，但明确通过“内促外引”，对内引导各地提升利用率，对外引入藏粤、青桂等区外清洁电力，形成稳定的绿电输入格局。　　安全充裕方面，南方电网提出，到2030年，全面消除A类大面积停电风险县域，“十五五”将新增投产支撑保障电源8800万千瓦、构网型装备突破600万千瓦，建成云南高海拔复杂大电网构网型技术实证基地，进一步解决新能源随机性强带来的安全隐患。　　为完善促进清洁能源发展市场机制，国家电网称，将有序推动气、水、核等电源参与市场，推广沙戈荒大基地“联营不联运”模式，公平无歧视服务新型主体入市，提升通道输送清洁能源电量比例，推动发用两侧报量报价参与现货交易，通过充分竞争促进清洁能源消纳。　　此外，扩大以绿电方式落实省间新能源优先发电规模计划，2030年经营区绿电绿证交易规模达到8000亿千瓦时。　　国家电网还首次为煤电灵活性设定了量化目标：2030年经营区煤电平均最小发电出力达35%额定负荷，推动煤电由电量主体转向调节容量。　　在市场机制方面，南方电网表示，2030年市场化交易电量占比超70%，构建现货、中长期、辅助服务和容量市场有机衔接的统一电力市场体系，推动风电、光伏全面参与市场交易，煤电、气电上网电价向“容量补偿+市场电量电价”转变。　　储能也是两大电网“十五五”期间的工作重点。　　国家电网提出加快新疆哈密、吉林安图等一批抽蓄电站建设和前期工作，“十五五”新投产、新开工抽蓄均超过3000万千瓦，力争2030年在运在建抽蓄规模超1.2亿千瓦，“十五五”经营区新增新型储能装机1.4亿千瓦。　　南方电网规划2030年抽水蓄能装机容量达2943万千瓦、新型储能装机力争6000万千瓦。

五 | 　　两网2030年前抽水蓄能布局规模合计约1.5亿千瓦。截至2025年底，全国抽蓄装机仅6594万千瓦，国家规划2030年目标为1.6亿千瓦左右，两网布局与之衔接。　　算电协同也同时列为两网“十五五”重点任务。　　国家电网提出，推动新能源基地与算力设施协同布局，支撑新建算力设施主要使用非化石能源电力；南方电网提出，推进电碳深度耦合、构建电碳算服务生态。　　零碳园区方面，国家电网明确将支撑经营区首批国家级零碳园区及后续国家和地方试点按期建成。

六 | “十五五”时期，南方电网将打造31个零碳园区、5个源网荷储一体化、4个绿电直连示范项目。　　值得关注的是，南方电网多项指标高于全国基准：2030年非化石能源消费比重35%，较国家目标高10个百分点；电能占终端能源消费比重38%，较国家目标高3个百分点；电力需求响应能力8%，较国家5%的目标高3个百分点。　　8月3日，《新型电力系统建设“十五五”规划》下发，明确2030年非化石能源发电量占比达到50%、实现28亿千瓦以上新能源高水平消纳、全国电力总装机达到54亿千瓦、新型储能规模达到3亿千瓦。　　投资支撑此前已陆续明确：2026年1月，国家电网在年度工作会议上披露，“十五五”固定资产投资预计达4万亿元，较“十四五”增长约40%；2026年6月，国家发改委在新闻发布会上介绍，“十五五”全国电网领域预计投资超5万亿元。　　国家电网与南方电网均为2002年12月电力体制改革后挂牌的特大型国有重点骨干企业，国家电网经营区域覆盖26个省（自治区、直辖市），覆盖国土面积88%以上，供电人口超过11亿；南方电网负责广东、广西、云南、贵州、海南五省区，供电面积100万平方公里、供电人口2.73亿。（文章来源：界面新闻）。

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